“But I do hope that this can be a teachable moment for anybody that doesn’t realize how offensive that word can be coming out of a white person’s mouth in context or out of context. Obviously, that’s not possible,” he said.

“I can’t go back in time and change what I’ve said. Toward the end of the nearly 6-minute video, Rogan apologized for using the word and said his mistakes should be a “teachable moment” for others. But whenever you’re in a situation where you have to say, ‘I’m not racist,’ you’ve fucked up.

“I never used it to be racist because I’m not racist. He went on to say he realizes now that he shouldn’t use the word. “I thought as long as it was in context, people would understand what I was doing.” But for a long time when I would bring that word up, like if it would come up in conversation, instead of saying ‘the N-word,’ I would just say the word,” Rogan said. Rogan later responded with a video on Instagram saying the clips were taken out of context from 12 years of his podcast, but expressed regret and acknowledged it “looks fucking horrible, even to me.”

That's where I started my conversation with India, before we turned to how female artists - and black female artists - are marketed, the potential reasons why the Recording Academy has been the particular focus of so much ire and some ideas for moving ahead.Spotify Executive Compensation: Dawn Ostroff Exit Package Revealed After Portnow and Ehrlich made their remarks, she wrote an open letter to Portnow. In our conversation, India.Arie talks about how she feels as a woman in the music business, and as an artist who's been involved with the Grammys since her debut album, Acoustic Soul, was released in 2001. But that task force is just beginning to come together.

Earlier this week, the Recording Academy named Tina Tchen as the chair of that new group. And the Recording Academy, also known as the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, or NARAS, pledged to create a task force for inclusion and diversity. Neil Portnow walked back his comments a few days later. The Record Time's Up Leader Tina Tchen To Head Recording Academy's Diversity Task Force

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